r/survivor Yul Oct 06 '22

I'm just not engaged with "new" Survivor General Discussion

It feels like they filtered out so much of the show, what's left is inorganic. The cast is boring, and empty, but maybe that's just because of the circumstances they're thrown in. Many of them seem like they have strong personalities.... but we barely get to see it because the focus is on whatever fake element the producers decided to throw in. Everything feels like it's on rails. I don't care about any individual in the show, I don't care about any team, I have no connection to any of them.

I know many of you disagree, just throwing my opinion out there. I think they took too much away, and added too many artificial elements. There's no real strawberries left in my strawberry shake.

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u/2cool4um8_ Oct 06 '22

I don’t agree with this overall post, but there is something about old survivor that I like a lot more. I can’t put my finger on it. A certain vibe or feel to it. It’s the way events are shown to us and the events chosen to be shown. Also has to do with editing, musical score and general tone.

I was watching a clip of Thailand just now when Sook Jai lost their fishing net. It opens with a unique nature shot of a crab building hundreds of sand balls on the beach before running in a hole. When the tribe discovers that the net is gone we get some great commentary from Robb and Shi-Ann(the true stars of Thailand imo). The scene ends with a slow zoom in on the net far out in the ocean.

Maybe it’s because of how mundane it is. Maybe it’s the music or the players. I just love the feel of early survivor. Before someone dismisses this as nostalgia, I didn’t start watching survivor until 2010. It’s just something I appreciate that I don’t see nowadays. Modern seasons are good in their own way(but I could do without those photos from home segments)

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u/AuroraItsNotTheTime Oct 06 '22

You don’t think it would be better with a scene of Penny trying to get beads from everyone?

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

The mundane is the issue moreso than anything about the old/new feel. We've seen pretty much everything about living on an island while playing Survivor can show. Is the scene of Yase discovering the little turtles hatching or this season's red tribe having their shelter break really all that different?

If it is editing, I'm not sure what they could do there. That's more just because of the move to HD, which is not something they could really move back from.

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u/AuroraItsNotTheTime Oct 06 '22

Everything feels like it’s on rails.

In my mind, this started in Island of the Idols when they clearly instructed everyone that under no circumstances were they to reveal that Sandra and Rob were on the island. On a show where “information is currency,” this just completely destroys any competent strategy. And it makes the lies less interesting! I don’t want to watch Noura flounder because the producers decided “omg now she has to lie to the tribe won’t that be so funny 😂”. I want to watch people lie because they CHOSE to lie, and I want the fallout from that.

With that production decision and with all these dumbass trips and advantages sucking time from anything else, the show is just a production-curated playpen, far from the new society pondered once upon a time in Borneo.

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u/CSharpSauce Yul Oct 06 '22

Yes, exactly.

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u/Runner_400 Oct 07 '22

This really needs to be brought up at any AMA that cast is apart of; I've always wondered why everyone bungled their responses so bad as to what they say they saw on IotI.

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u/Akasha111 Oct 06 '22

I'm so tired of seeing different variations of this same post every single fucking day.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

then unsubscribe

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u/athleticsfan2007 Oct 07 '22

They are just a entitled to their opinion as you are yours. You don’t like reading these posts? Don’t click on them or Unsubscribe

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u/Unite-Us-3403 Oct 07 '22

Im terribly sorry, but there is a good reason for it. We believe the pandemic ruined the whole show. Things would have been better of the pandemic never happened.

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u/BuckeyeGuy16 Oct 06 '22

My only complaint is everyone has a sob story. While it sucks and it’s accurate to how life is just so fucked right now, if everyone has a story it loses its value to me. I can’t feel bad for everyone meaning I don’t feel bad for anyone.

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou Oct 07 '22

To be honest, I skip past all of their sob stories. Give me the gameplay! Where are the bad guys?

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

Everyone does have a story, though. You can take any person on the planet, and they'll probably be ale to spin some tale about a time they overcame adversity. It's why it is a college essay prompt.

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u/BuckeyeGuy16 Oct 06 '22

Right. I just don’t think it needs to be so emphasized as it is lately

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

I personally like it because before the "new era," we had season after season of me barely even remembering people's names because they were all too game-botty. We would end up with a couple characters dominating the edit.

They've been experimenting with providing more character content about people who may not be important to the overall story of the season, which I appreciate. I just think they should spread it out more.

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u/BuckeyeGuy16 Oct 06 '22

Fair enough. I think it’s a nice touch but maybe not everyone should get one in the first 3 episodes. Spread it out the course of the season.

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

The last 3 episodes have been twist-lite and personality focussed, though.

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u/praleva Oct 06 '22

I have a feeling some of these commenters don't actually watch the show, just type out general complaints without the context the episodes. The last two episodes (haven't watched ep. 3 yet) had so much more camp life scenes, compared to the last several seasons.

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

I think some people don't want to admit they are bored of Survivor in general, so they obfuscate it with nostalgia for past seasons of the usual complaints about not "connecting" with the cast.

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u/CSharpSauce Yul Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I'm not bored with Survivor, but what I miss are when people are frankly allowed to be clever in unexpected ways. Think about the best moments of the show, they're all spontaneous and unplanned. Tony created his spy shack, Russell figured out he doesn't need to wait for a clue, fake idols, vote splitting, JT giving the other team an idol in anticipation of the merge (which hilariously failed). You can go down the list. What make Survivor great was when players got creative and THEY reinvented the game. These are the players I eagerly wanted to win. There's not one moment in 41, 42, or 43 where a player just organically changed the game.

Take the beads example in this season, it's not really a spontaneous and unplanned bit of creativity. It's players being forced to play the hand they're dealt by the production staff. It's just not interesting to me.

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u/Lion-Competitive Oct 06 '22

You're cherry picking moments that took so many seasons to get to. Did you hate the first umpteen seasons until one of these game changing moves happened? Did you hate every season in between? Cause these don't happen every season and it's wild to put all of this down to the 'new' era.

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u/flowerchild-- Oct 06 '22

Happy Cake Day! 🎂

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u/NefariousPyro Lindsay Oct 06 '22

This is exactly what I think too

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u/silvershadow014 Oct 09 '22

But we're not just comparing it to the last several seasons...

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u/CSharpSauce Yul Oct 06 '22

It's not necessairly personality that I'm looking for. I want players who go off-rails. Players who test the limits.

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u/ToastyToast113 Oct 06 '22

What limits are there still? Most people are not Tony. Most people do not want to be vilified. You're looking for something that happens like once or twice an era.

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u/Runner_400 Oct 06 '22

This is how I see it:

Seasons 1-18 were pretty fresh and organic. We always got new and evolved strategies. Alliances usually build over time versus on day 1, and are stronger and break up less, and when they broke up it was great. Game was more physical, and weaker and older players usually the first to go. Still a bit of luck involved in winning the game (some earlier seasons had luck/social aspects where you could lose an immunity challenge no fault of your own)

Seasons 19-32 were about the game evolving away from the physical to the social side. You have early and late game alliances and betrayals more common. Challenges get easier and casting reflects this. The focus is new twists and more idols introduced which causes a bit more drama around camp. The luck aspect went away which I was grateful for; some say finding idols is luck, after reading countless interviews I'm on the side it takes more work not luck.

Seasons 33-40 started the "new" Survivor in that every season is filmed in same location (Mamanuca Islands, Fiji) with lots of recycled challenges. Casting changes again, and it's reflected in more outgoing personalities. The luck aspect shows its face in some of the more recent seasons.

Seasons "drop the four" 1 is totally new weaksause survivor. 26 days, luck involved, Jeff on a mission to be extra nice and cuddly to everyone because COVID (CBS bosses) gave him perspective on life.

I've always wanted to get cast and play Survivor, but I'd have to really think about it before playing New Survivor.

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u/Unite-Us-3403 Oct 07 '22

I actually agree with you on that. I love your view here.

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u/Runner_400 Oct 06 '22

The bosses seem to want soft Survivor. The stories are now about personal growth versus the actual adventure. People are now casted on how they'll react while on the show, not how they'll do on the show. My $0.02.

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou Oct 07 '22

They're trying to make us cheer on players for what they've been through in life instead of their gameplay. I don't care about their personal life, I want people to play the game.

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u/Dvaderstarlord2 Oct 06 '22

They have focused on personalities in the last couple episodes.

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u/AleroRatking Victoria Oct 06 '22

I miss swaps so much. Watching the same people play together all pre merge gets repetitive

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u/Skyclad__Observer Tony Oct 06 '22

Survivor is probably dead until Jeff retires.

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u/CSharpSauce Yul Oct 06 '22

I'd vote for Adam Klein to take his place :D

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou Oct 07 '22

We need someone a little more intimidating, like Johnathan from Australian Survivor.

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u/wpb_01 Oct 06 '22

We get two seasons a year. If you aren’t feeling this cast you only have a few months until you get to know a new cast.

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u/jaybirdbull Gavin Oct 06 '22

I don’t disagree tbh. Stop casting people solely based on their story and cast them for their potential as a player.

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u/stevenarwhals Romeo Oct 06 '22

Flair checks out 😂

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou Oct 07 '22

Exactly. I'm trying to watch survivor, I don't need to know these people's life stories.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

First 2 episodes this season were great, but yesterdays was slow

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u/bigfatgeekboy Oct 06 '22

I agree. Still watching though and hoping it gets better as the season progresses.

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u/Unite-Us-3403 Oct 07 '22

Im also not engaged with “New Survivor” and I never will be. The cast is actually great though, but the real problem is that producers are keeping pandemic changes permanent and having the budget too low.

I wouldn’t call this the “New Era”. Im calling it the “Pandemic Era” and we must get out of it ASAP.