r/WorkReform 9d ago Gold 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Rules for thee—not for me. Do as I say—not as I do. ❔ Other

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u/Steven773 9d ago

Davos, where Microsoft paid 500K to privately book Sting and laid off thousands the next day

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u/PreciousP90 9d ago

Btw, they don't fly to Davos, they fly to Zürich airport or Dübendorf and take a helicopter from there, some extra pollution for us.

Source: I live next to the Dübendorf airfield.

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u/JohnnyNobody66 9d ago

Now I am outraged

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u/razulareni 9d ago

They probably take the same plane to Epsteins island and all the guys you think are cool are probably molesters but lets not talk about that.

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u/PlanItLatermmk 8d ago

Helicopter to that island. Runway too small for most planes to land.

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u/Nekratal 8d ago

Many things on that island are too small to be there...

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u/simulet 8d ago

Ooof. And also, facts.

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u/PhilxBefore 8d ago

Actually, they have an old diesel submarine running as a ferry that is used to shuttle each person to the island separately as they arrive at the helipad.

Source: I live with Dr. Doofenshmirtz.

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u/unassuming_squirrel 8d ago

Dr. Doofenschmirtz is evil but not that evil!

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u/wolf9786 8d ago

They are rich enough to pay for trafficking and easily get away with it. Alot of people will take money and not say anything

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u/KevinFlantier 8d ago

Who do I think are cool anymore?

The only one I used to think was cool was Musk but he's shown time and time again how much of an asshole he is.

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u/willflameboy 8d ago

I saw someone on Twitter yesterday suggesting that Musk should buy up all American farmland to stop the Chinese getting it. That's where we are with the great Democratic experiment.

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u/KevinFlantier 8d ago

Sounds great. Next thing you know he will fire half the field worker force and you guys will starve to death. Nice.

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u/I_Nickd_it 9d ago

AND they then take limos or heavy armoured luxury cars the 2 miles from the heli-port to the venue and hotels too!

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u/annotipoxx 9d ago

When staying near a body of water they don’t do hotels either. They have their yachts shipped in so they can stay on them overnight. Sometimes it’s just for meetings though.

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u/breatheb4thevoid 9d ago

True titans of production and therefore society. Deserving of only the finest life has to offer for all the fantastic contributions they've made to the world. ///s.

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u/SirUmolo 9d ago

What are they afraid of? People eating them?

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u/520throwaway 9d ago

They actually are! Or at least of someone going Grimmie on them

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u/crackedcosmonaut 8d ago

What is going Grimmie?

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u/APEHASKILLEDAPE 9d ago

It wouldn’t take much to ruin their party.

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u/Hausschuh 8d ago

Yeah and they rather take their limos and be stuck in traffic for two hours instead of walking 10 min. Couple years ago traffic was so bad because of the massive snowfall we had someone not wait to go over the trainrails until he had enough space to clear it that they had to get out of the car before the train actually hit it lol.

https://www.blick.ch/schweiz/graubuenden/wegen-barriere-crashs-in-davos-rhb-postiert-waehrend-wef-an-jedem-bahnuebergang-polizisten-id15135216.html

Someone actually filmed it

Fuck WEF

Source: I live in Davos..

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u/REDDIT_JUDGE_REFEREE 8d ago

Fun fact, my great (6-8x) grandfather was the lord of Dübendorf before he illegally stowed away on a ship to the US, fought in the revolutionary war, and George Washington gave him a plot of land in Pennsylvania.

What I’m trying to say is that I believe I am technically your lord, so I’ll start working on this helicopter issue right away.

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u/brian9000 8d ago

Well, I didn't vote for you.

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u/park-person 9d ago

and let's not talk about the millions we drop for their security

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u/Stooby2 9d ago

Same here in London - private jets fly into Biggin Hill airport and then it's a private helicopter to the Battersea Heliport.

And the London mayor wants to expand our Ultra Low Emission Zone for vehicles to curb pollution.

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u/IsomorphicSyzygy 8d ago

The SBB has the best transit in the world, yet, of course, they’d still take a helicopter. They could even book first-class tickets.

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u/darkoh84 9d ago

I heard sting murdered a guy and poisoned a dog.

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u/DontWantThisPlanet9 9d ago

ah, you must be a podcast behind.

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u/TheLazyKitty 9d ago

I heard they glow blue when Orcs or Goblins are nearby.

But seriously, did they?

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u/EriktheRed 8d ago

No it's a reference to a tv show that Sting was in

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u/NiohCoop 9d ago

500k is pocketchange in a company like that. To me it is not the amount. It's the difference in perception of what we are each worth as human bring's.

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u/Classic_Beautiful973 9d ago

Now I just picture the wrestler Sting getting lowered down from the rafters with a baseball bat at a climate summit

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u/wildbabu 9d ago

Okay but 500k is like 5 people's yearly comp if that at Microsoft.

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u/mountainsunsnow 9d ago

5? Try 1-2 people.

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u/vinylzoid 9d ago

.5 if it's a VP.

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u/floghdraki 9d ago

One night if you are Sting.

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u/hey--canyounot_ 9d ago

Tbf that's still a lot to book one dude.

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u/wildbabu 9d ago

Clearly someone hasn't heard Desert Rose.

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u/canned_soup 9d ago

Don’t be so short sighted; it also created jobs for that night probably for temp or 1099 event workers /s

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u/AutoModreetor 9d ago

I would bet Sting got at least 3x that, based on the fact that he had to fly to Davos...

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Stay within 20 miles of your home. But also, we need to end remote work.

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u/AdSnoo9734 9d ago edited 9d ago

“Oh and we happen to own all the apartment buildings and houses you want to rent near the company office.”

Literally my old coworker had to rent a trailer home from our boss. It was ridiculous. Putting money right back into his pocket.

He ofc owned about $50M of real estate, while the coworker couldn’t even afford a decent place for their family.

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago edited 9d ago

And if you quit you'd better not get sick. I'd be a real shame if your kids needed braces.

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u/Dragon-With-Matches 9d ago

I'd be a real same if your kids needed braces.

Oh honey... Braces aren't covered under insurance. Unless you meant leg braces. In which case, they're better off learning a trade building their own in shop class.

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u/LoamImprovement 9d ago

Dental Plan!

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago

Lisa needs braces!

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u/Pavehead42oz 9d ago

Dental plan!

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago

Lisa needs braces!

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u/herculesmeowlligan 9d ago

Dental plan!

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago

Lisa needs braces!

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u/WeezySan 9d ago

Insurance usually doesn’t cover braces either. If so, only a small percentage.

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u/humangingercat 9d ago

Bold of you to assume they have dental

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u/gingergirl181 8d ago

Bold of you to assume dental covers orthodontia.

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u/TheEvilMetal 9d ago

That's the next step of capitalism.

When people can't afford to buy, they rent.

When people can't afford to rent, then housing will be purchased by companies and offered as part of the compensation package.

The housing being part of the employment package will be used as an excuse to pay the workers less since their housing is included in the employment contract and they no longer have to pay it themselves.

Then once enough people are unable to leave companies willingly we'll have company towns again. And all the abuses that come with that sort of monopoly over workers lives.

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u/Point_Forward 9d ago

Indentured servitude is fun

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u/sheba716 9d ago

They are already doing this with teachers in HCOL cities. Subsidizing the rent for teachers or trying to get people who own homes to rent out rooms to teachers. This in lieu of paying the teachers the salaries they need in order to rent or buy homes of their own.

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u/ganjanoob 8d ago

Meanwhile the executives get their housing/phone/car/food subsidized on top of their 250-300k+ salary

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u/astromech_dj 9d ago

Eat the rich.

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u/notthebestchristian 8d ago

I think the expensive wine and marbled fat would make roast Leo DiCaprio especially tender.

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u/KoolWitaK 👷 Good Union Jobs For All 8d ago

Don't forget all of those fancy oils and lotions that they marinate in rub in all of the time. Yum!

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u/FoxholeHead 9d ago

"land investment is the destroyer of the wealth of nations" - Adam Smith, father of Capitalism.

This is Corporate Socialism.

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u/unassuming_squirrel 8d ago

Corporate Feudalism

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u/KerbalSpaceExplorer 9d ago

Oh, come on. Don't offload this problem onto the back of socialism. There's nothing "socialist" about corporate monopoly.

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u/FordBeeblebrox 9d ago Starry

Corporate socialism, private capitalism.

Sharing the losses is fine, sharing gains not so much. Lots of socialism when we need to bail out a business, lots of fuck you I got mine when that business starts making money again

Don’t forget, your entire life is governed by small green pieces of paper and people who think digital watches are a neat new idea

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u/TiredMemeReference 8d ago

I get what you're trying to say but you're using the wrong words. Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. Capitalists are doing their best to change the definition of socialism in order to confuse the proletariat. Using that word incorrectly only helps to perpetuate their agenda.

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u/KerbalSpaceExplorer 8d ago

Again, there's nothing socialist about corporate bailouts. Stop blaming socialism for problems that are logical conclusions of capitalist ideology.

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u/notthebestchristian 8d ago

That’s like saying don’t blame this on capitalism, we’ve been a corporatocracy for over 70 years.

We’re living the end game of what Eisenhower warned us about with his military industrial complex speech.

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u/BrockVegas 8d ago

Eisenhower knew a thing or two about out of control military spending.. After doing so himself.

He made that monster

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u/NeonAlastor 9d ago edited 8d ago

tangent but

I once went apartment hunting. Noticed how 1 in 5 adds had the same number. This represented dozens of apartments spread all over town, multiple adresses.

Met the ACTUAL landlord face to face.

He had so much work lined up to fix appartments, he didn't have enough employees.

Well I just finished my woodworking degree, so happy coicidence - I could be a tenant AND an employee !

The apartment he was personally showing to me was a bit too small, but he said he was a showing a bigger one in 20 minutes - if they didn't take it, it was mine. He put the lease for the smaller one in front of me, I could have signed right then and there.

I figured well if they don't take the bigger apt, I'll take it - if not, I'll take the smaller one. So I didn't sign.

They never called back and stopped taking my calls that evening.

Turns out they looked at the government registry and saw my name in litigation cases.

My last name. Which is very common where I live.

Imagine not taking a tenant/employee because their last name (which thousands of others have) happens to be on a registry.

Moral of the story - nobody should be allowed to own over 100 units. They will NOT be able to handle it. Because no - I'd never been to court, I'm not on any registry. Also the secretary that gave me the appointment to visit didn't inform the landlord - I just got in after buzzing random appartments and getting the concierge to let me in, and it so happened the landlord was there by random coincidence.

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u/The_cogwheel 8d ago

Now I want to know what kind of Litigation cases they found. "OH God, this guy sued his last landlord cause the landlord took him for a ride. He knows his rights, better drop him else I'll definitely get sued by him."

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u/silly-billy-goat 9d ago edited 8d ago

Man, during the original labor movement they just burned *their bosses houses to the ground.

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u/borophyllShmorophyll 9d ago

You will own nothing and be happy

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u/Joe_Jeep 9d ago

jazz hands capitalism!

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u/Zestyclose_Minute_69 9d ago

I saw this in my head and snorted because it’s a muppet

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u/TheLoosestCaboose 9d ago

it seems that the rich and powerful find a way to fuck with the common people regardless of the political/economic system in place

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u/Business-Acadia-6086 9d ago

Perhaps we should try and democratize wealth and power?

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u/TheMelm 9d ago Take My Energy

Because there is no end goal or perfect system even if we managed to make everyone equal some people would start trying to find ways to take advantage and build systems that would give them power.

So we cant just have a revolution get rid of all the capitalists and call it mission accomplished. The only thing is to continuously update the system to take in new realities and prevent people from consolidating power.

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u/wowsomuchempty 9d ago

If tax bands were actually applied , would that not work?

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u/Fishyswaze 9d ago

Until people got in power that don’t want them.

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u/asillynert 9d ago

Problem is by design rich win in capitalism sure they find other ways to screw up other systems and screw with people. But its not the default outcome.

Capital generates capital aka person with most will always get the most regardless of work put in and those depending on labor will always fall further and further behind.

As a result bad will always rise to top ethical people who are generous enforce safety standards and pay works well. Will have less capital than those that cut corners force unsafe conditions pay as little to workers as they can legally get away with.

Will ultimately come out on top. And since EVERYONE is held hostage to capital. And majority of capital is held by unethical people. They can threaten workers with with starvation homeless. They can threaten countrys with capital flight or withholding capital.

Walmart for example could move unemployment from 3.5% to 6% all by themselves. In many communitys they are only option or available grocer. So they would creates swathes of country without access to grocerys.

Which is why rich are allowed their loopholes why min wage hasn't risen for almost 2 decades. And when it does move its marginal at best.

Were all held hostage and each round each day there is a little more capital in evil peoples hands and a little less in decent peoples hands. And by design that will only continue as the least ethical people of country gain leverage it will only continue to grow exponentially worse.

There is a reason why couple hundred years of capitalism has brought our species to brink. And completely made millions of other species extinct. From global warming to fact that handful of people can literally decide to end the world with nuclear winter. Its a terrible system.

And people harold it as driving force for innovation. With things like internet.But reality is they said "nah" they hadn't figured out how to profit from it.So they wouldn't touch it. It was developed by government. Only reason why it suceeded is we busted up AT&T and could allow people to attach modems to landlines. (which were actually funded by government)

And every time innovation is not some single entity under capitalism. But rather multiple innovators very often funded by government. And a result of collaboration cooperation. NOT the isolation created by capitalism's pure individualism. A bigger trend in following technology that predates even capitalism.

Is when markets meet. And intermingle. As we gain ability for travel or ability to exchange. So has innovation followed. People have it engrained in heads only one option. But fact is every system before was not only stepping stone to something better. BUT also something that people couldn't imagine. People saw all forms as a improvement and while under the system it took pretty much widespread starvation to get support to change it. Personally I think we should see it as a stepping stone and figure out something that wont leave planet a scorched lifeless husk.

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u/notthebestchristian 8d ago

1000%. The USSR was a perfect example of a worker’s rebellion.

It was also a perfect example that when tyrants are overthrown, a power vacuum is created that will be quickly filled with a new, improved tyrant.

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u/Grimley_Williams 9d ago

It's said that history rarely repeats itself but it does rhyme. If you know what was, it's easy to see what people's true intentions are.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot 9d ago

Company town

A company town is a place where practically all stores and housing are owned by the one company that is also the main employer. Company towns are often planned with a suite of amenities such as stores, houses of worship, schools, markets and recreation facilities. They are usually bigger than a model village ("model" in the sense of an ideal to be emulated). Some company towns have had high ideals, but many have been regarded as controlling and/or exploitative.

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u/SteakandTrach 9d ago

I sold my soul to the company stoooooooore.

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u/buddha86 9d ago

That’s just indentured servitude with extra steps. If we are not careful, that will be all of us.

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u/BookLuvr7 9d ago

Any employer who says we can end remote work deserves to go out of business. Remote work makes people happier and more productive. There's NO reason to end it

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u/eri- 9d ago

I think its pretty telling that Linkedin still hasnt updated their "open for opportunities" interface to include indicating you are looking for remote work and/or hybrid work only.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, been a while since I checked).

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u/AshFromTheStands 9d ago

The worst part is that job listings proudly show the word REMOTE, then connect it to a specific office. Yeah. Had that fun experience with an interview I had to FORCE upon Fidelity Investments.

How did I force the interview on them? I had an insider give me a name of the hiring manager first. When I got the auto-reply a couple days after applying, saying they “had reviewed all candidates and decided not to pursue, blah blah blah”, I emailed him directly and asked why a job of this level was handled by an auto reply when I clearly matched all the qualifications they needed. He called me, agreed, and asked if I lived in NYC metro, which he knew the answer to already because he had my resume. I asked why was the job shown as REMOTE, if it needed to be inside a metro?

Not much reply.

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u/eri- 9d ago edited 9d ago

Linkedin is pretty much useless once you reach a certain level.

Recruiters cant read (or don't care because they just need to make their target number of contacts made). The few who can read will almost always (in my country at least) then proceed to do everything in their power to not have to mention how much the position they are trying to sell actually pays.. which is a huge red flag for jobs at my level because if your recruiter cant /isnt allowed to state a semi respectable figure you basically cant afford to hire me anyway.

In fact I once had a recruiter reply to me stating "the salary isn't what is important, its the satisfaction you get from doing your job which really counts". I did not know whether to laugh out loud or cry in response. It blew my mind, the sheer audacity of even writing that or the naivity of the person in question, that was a tough one to reply to.

I find it better to directly approach companies that could possibly interest me. I'll almost always get an interview at the very least and then we can both decide if there is an opportunity there.

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u/seasalt_kings 8d ago

I work in tech and am always getting cold called in LinkedIn dms for positions. The only message I have ever replied to the recruiter put the pay band in the message. That’s the only reason I had a proper look and asked for the job description. I went for it and got the job, I wish more recruiters would do this. Totally worked to get my attention

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u/Sharobob 9d ago

Fortunately I feel like a lot of places who are forcing people when it isn't necessary to come back in are feeling the pain. In my field, I get so many recruiter messages from places who are saying 3 days in, 2 days remote. Even those they are getting desperate. Workers are rebelling.

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u/allyourphil 8d ago

Would kill for 3 days in 2 days out. Actually would prefer it to full remote. But would take full remote over 5 days in the office....if that makes sense.

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 9d ago

It's harder to look over your drones and tell them to come in on Saturday without looking over their cubical walls.

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u/grapefruit_witchh 9d ago

Heyyyyyyyyy I'm gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday. Okay? Thaaaaaanks

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u/Zestyclose_Minute_69 9d ago

Remote work = no middle management, no need

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u/1003rp 8d ago

Where does this mindset come from? I see it here all of the time. I’m probably what would be considered a middle manager for a 24/7 operation. I have employees that report to me that I barely ever see (they aren’t remote, but you can easily work shifts that don’t overlap with mine). They still reach out to me often for help or with questions. I also will reach out to them if I need something. I don’t see how working from home eliminates the need for managers, it just changes the role. Managers will have to adapt to it. Employee will still need help figuring stuff out or look to someone with more experience for guidance in certain situations.

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u/kukaki 8d ago

Definitely. I’m in the bottom rung of positions at my job and my manager would be considered middle-management. Honestly the greatest boss I’ve ever had. She’s so understanding with people having to leave early/come in late, super helpful and responds to emails or teams messages with the right answer really quick even with her workload, even let’s us sneak in some wfh days outside of the normal 2 days a week if she knows we’ll have nothing to do all day. I still know this could be a fully remote job if I had 2 monitors at home because the only communication I have with coworkers/management is on teams or outlook anyway. But if a manager makes your life hell, I don’t think it has as much to do with job title as it does company structure and their attitude in general.

I’ve had so many jobs where I hated my boss, but I still realized the position was necessary (UPS times a thousand) it’s just a matter of how the company deals with it. I also realize this isn’t true for every job and I’m sure there’s plenty of places that position could be eliminated and the work would get down the same or better and nobody would even notice they’re gone.

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u/nip_pickles 9d ago

All the jobs being in heavily populated areas, but none of the workers can afford to live directly in the area, at the same time making "public" transit shitty intentionally, forces people to have a working car just in order to get from home to work and back, just another money pit really

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u/Ok-Literature6549 9d ago

Plus, it intentionally isolates your population from each other, puts them into competition (to move rapidly through dense traffic) and prevents them from having the capacity to envision better solutions because their commute forces them to give you their time to you for free while thinking they are freer than people without cars because they "own" their car and can go anywhere there's a road.

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u/nip_pickles 9d ago

Right? Like I was homeless most of the last 13 years, and for two years leading up to gaining the housing I have now, Google maps said I visited 146 cities. And I've done this without ever getting a license, now aged 30. Even now I live in a very car centered city, with limited sidewalks and busses, but I'd rather walk, get about 20k steps a day most days, and I can go anywhere I want without having to pay maintenence or gas, and that includes far off the road. I'd love it if they'd improve transit in the US, and actually make it public, which would decrease traffic so damn much, and help so many people. Yet trying to explain this to people who don't even walk a few blocks to the corner store is like slamming my head into a brick wall

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u/KerbalSpaceExplorer 9d ago

while thinking they are freer than people without cars because they "own" their car and can go anywhere there's a road.

Despite the fact they can't afford the fuel to make that trip!

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u/widowhanzo 8d ago

Car is "freedom" only in poorly designed cities, where you don't have anything in the walking distance, or in rural areas. Freedom for me is when I don't need to use my car at all, because I can walk and cycle to where I need to go.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago edited 9d ago

And then getting angry at you for being late because public transportation is unreliable and horribly underfunded and you cant afford a car.

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u/saintmsent 9d ago edited 8d ago

I’m not an “eat the rich” kind of guy usually, but recently BBC put out an article that we should drink instant coffee instead of fresh to be the most sustainable and that really pissed me off

This whole idea that billionaires can do what they want, while regular people should strip themselves of any last pleasure to produce less CO2 is getting out of hand

Edit: for those interested, here's a link to that BBC Coffee article https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64293750

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u/muri_cina 9d ago

I see a bunch of articled and even a poster ad, how cold showers are good for you. But they mean only cold showers.

I actually started trying some. Jokes on them I need to shower 5 minutes warm before and after the 2 minutes of cold showers or I can't do it.

The German minister of finance said that we need to be wearing 2 pullovers at home to keep warm. While he was wearing 1.

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u/IronMyr 8d ago

For some reason, the solutions to problems created by the people in charge are always that we should suffer.

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u/Maker1357 8d ago

It would be fine if they led by example.

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u/Rainbowlemon 9d ago

Real talk tho, having a cold blast at the end of a hot shower is 👌👌

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u/muri_cina 9d ago

I am constantly freezing and there is no way for me showering with cold water only.

I'll go for sponge bathes for 6 months a year if needed.

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u/Rainbowlemon 8d ago

Ditto, I love a cold shower at the end but I wouldn't want to wake up every morning with just cold water unless we were going through another 40 degree heatwave!

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u/Mr-Fleshcage 8d ago

I call that "opening the shower curtain".

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u/FoxholeHead 9d ago

Look at how many people in this thread are ok with eating the bugs while the billionaires eat their Wagyu, just because conservatives are against it they are to be for it even if they are taking the side of the oppressors.

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u/OnceInABluMoon 8d ago

while regular people should strip themselves of any last pleasure

My dad is like this. "If you just cut out everything that brings you any ounce of joy in your life, you too can be financially stable in ten years. Look at me! I made sacrifices and look where I am!" Trust me, my parents still managed to get plenty of joy in their lives in their toughest periods. You can bet my dad wouldn't have sold his xbox or stopped paying the online subscription when things were at their worst, but somehow I should never get to enjoy a night at the movie theater while I struggle.

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u/MadaRook 8d ago edited 8d ago

They probably don't realize how much wages have stagnated and how much more you have to work now to achieve their same success

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u/OnceInABluMoon 8d ago

That's exactly it. I've tried to explain it to them and they just don't get it. Which is bizarre because my dad is pretty financially savvy, but he's got these blinders on that always seem to prevent him from seeing that. I wouldn't say he had it easy, but to say things were better in his time is like insinuating it was easy. And he isn't receptive to that. Its maddening. I don't want to say he didn't work hard. When I try and just point out that things are more difficult now, he won't hear it.

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u/wallagrargh 9d ago

I'm okay with eating bugs, or no animals at all, for the environment. The billionaires should be stripped of everything and sent to Siberia with shovels, that's a separate thing. Their hypocrisy is worthy to point out but nothing remotely new.

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u/TheKeiron 9d ago

All these huge industries have turned climate change on the average joe when they are all by far the biggest contributors. They tell us to switch to paper straws like it's a silver bullet of climate change all while dumping tons of rubbish in the ocean, the rubbish we all put in the bins ourselves so that our streets are clear cuz we were told to. We can't even trust those waste companies cuz they're just palming off the waste to the cheapest person who will "deal with it", which usually results in dumping it in the ocean. Factories pump shit into the atmosphere without so much as nod to the damage it does, petroleum industries are all the biggest ones funding these ads for less carbon emissions while being the biggest contributors of those emissions because they want us to think we should all be doing our best to help to distract from them being the true cause, and they've all bought the media through ad revenue so they'll never cover a bad word on them for fear of losing said money. We're not the problem. The problem is that they get away with the shit they do cuz they've greased the palms of the right people with the money they earned from their shady business practices. They need to be held accountable. And fines aren't cutting it: fines are basically "legal at a price". People need to be jailed. Practices need to be changed and enforced with real consequences.

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u/HeresyCraft 8d ago

Yup. "Carbon footprint" was created by a British Petroleum marketing team.

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u/Uberzwerg 9d ago

They should have met on a remote island, getting only locally sourced food served by a very excentric maître and his suicidal crew.

If you know what i mean.

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u/witchyanne 9d ago Endless Coolness

Which is why they can all fuck off.

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u/SaltpeterSal 9d ago edited 9d ago

Worth pointing out as well that in the last 24 hours, conservatives have been pushing this line hard to try and recruit more climate change deniers. We're all for billionaires practicing what they preach. We are not for handing them more coal mines.

I'd like to say we're not for associating the average environmentalist with a gas-guzzling robber baron who "knows" climate change is made up to sell stuff, but I've seen a lot of antivax stuff aggressively making the rounds lately too.

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u/DeadLikeYou 9d ago edited 8d ago

It’s that “eat insects” line that has me thinking it’s an alt-right nut job.

I’ve heard that line verbatim from a former coworker who was very opposed to climate change actions. That was not a fun convo. Thank fuck I’m outta that job.

Edit because I don’t want to give a commenter attention: I’m neither saying it’s true nor false. I’m saying it’s used as a selling point for bigotry.

That’s like saying “they are trying to burn you alive” in support of climate change. Who? “The secret evil cabal of very conveniently all minorities and especially Jewish people and the solution is to take their rights away”. Yea sure grandpa, I’ll go ahead and drive my electric car anyways.

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u/-Profanity- 9d ago

I mean at the same time it really is true that a lot of these wealthy elites are talking about eating bugs at this uber wealthy meetings. The alt-right conspiracy theorist is hyper fixated on them so of course they dial it up to a fever pitch and make a mountain out of a molehill, but it's definitely based on the kernel of truth that it's weird for a bunch of extremely rich old guys to say we should be eating bugs.

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u/Gingevere 8d ago

The discussion is less "we should be eating bugs" and more "we are rapidly approaching a future where due to climate and an expanding global middle class, it will be impossible to raise and consume beef and pork like we have been. What theoretical solutions exit to still get everyone the protein they want?"

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u/BeBetter3334 8d ago

well yes, but then that destroys their whole "climate change is also fake, and a tool used by the libural elites"

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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 9d ago

The bug thing is legit though, it's a genuinely good option for protein in the future. The takeaway from this should be that we also need to make the billionaires eat the bugs, not that we all could be eating wagyu

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u/Hugh_Maneiror 9d ago

It's a bit of an exaggeration, but there is a great push to tell people to stop eating meat while vegetable prices are also going nuts, to tell people to travel less and air travel should be more expensive again, to tell people gas should be >$10/gln, to punish people with more polluting cars despite that being the only type of second-hand car they can afford, to lower the thermostat etc.

The push to degrade ones quality of life and remove niceties from peoples lives is real.

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u/wallagrargh 9d ago

We are collectively consuming way more per year than the planet can regenerate in the same time, so the consumption especially in Western cultures must go down to have any long term perspective for civilization. It sucks, but this is a simple fact known since the club of rome.

It just becomes unbearable because right now it overlaps with the biggest global class war campaign we've ever seen, with all the remaining wealth being horded by increasingly detached 1% lunatics. And they use the resulting frustration and despair to rile people up against environmentalism. But wealth per capita will shrink this century, one way or another, the only question we have control over is the fairness of its distribution.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage 8d ago

I feel like the consumption problem is related to how disposable everything is now. Make things repairable and suddenly western culture isn't looking so bad in that regard.

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u/HardEctoCooler 9d ago

Yeah, the whole fear of eating insects thing is a right wing dog whistle. Plus it's just immature. There was a time people wouldn't eat lobster because it was a "sea bug".

The only thing I care about is if the waste track/lower intestine has been removed. eating "bugs" is eating shrimp.

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u/bugme143 9d ago

Big difference between having the option to, and being forced to. Lobsters were cooked hella differently than they are now, and were considered horrible food back in the day.

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u/Gingevere 8d ago

Nobody is going to force you to eat bugs.

But in 30 years the global middle class is going to be much larger and more people are going to be bidding for that steak you want. Climate change will also decrease resources and because steak is raised on food people also eat and water people also drink the cost of production will soar and the overall capacity will drop.

The price of that steak is going to go through the roof. Every cut will be priced like it's wagyu.

There will need to be some alternative protein source that's more affordable. Maybe bugs, maybe something else, but something.

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u/AvoidMySnipes 9d ago

I mean… What are people gonna do about it? A simple strike for one day by every industry member would probably shock people into listening

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u/witchyanne 9d ago

My kids’ schools sent me emails about the strike actions the teachers are doing and I replied to each with ‘Good. They should.’

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u/witchyanne 9d ago

I wish all Amazon folks for one example would just walk out for 3 days - but at the same time, they wouldn’t work in that hellhole if they didn’t really need the job. So I can understand it.

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u/AvoidMySnipes 9d ago

Yea… My comment is coming off as it’s easier said than done but damn if I didn’t wish everyone could come together just to show how strong the middle class actually is…

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u/dizzy_absent0i 9d ago

Save the insects, eat the rich instead.

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u/nip_pickles 9d ago

Capitalism works for the wealthy, while the rest of us can get fucked. This is a big reason I won't have a biological child, can't bring someone into this shit

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u/Tarable 8d ago

Same. I got sterilized when roe was overturned.

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u/Ill-Cardiologist3728 9d ago edited 9d ago

Bezos randomly telling people to "forego that next big purchase" because of a possible recession. Like, stfu you piece of shit.

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u/muri_cina 9d ago

You mean: don't fly on vacation to see your family, why I fly into space for fun and giggles.

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u/PatsySweetieDarling 8d ago

I don’t have an Amazon account and he’s just given me another reason to not use his company for any of my purchases.

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u/Carnieus 8d ago edited 8d ago

I just hate that climate denialists push this argument as a reason for no one to take any action. This type of tweet is all too common from oil and gas astro-turfed accounts.

Oh hey OPs Tweet is from a stock broker. I wouldn't why he wants to persuade the masses to keep the status quo.

From what this guy does: Crane Co. is a diversified manufacturer of highly engineered industrial products. Founded in 1855, Crane Co. provides products and solutions to customers in the chemicals, oil & gas, power, automated payment solutions, banknote design and production and aerospace & defense markets

So yeah OP is shilling for a oil and gas investor

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u/xXbrosoxXx 9d ago

Real talk. Everybody gets a piece

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u/HBag 9d ago

A little Elontrèe Muskaiseki to pair with a fine wine. Fsssfsssfsssfsssfsssfssssss

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u/ItsASchpadoinkleDay 9d ago

I’m getting hungry.

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u/tyler111762 9d ago

Remember kids, the right to own firearms, body armor, and all other tools used to exert force are the rights of the working man.

Stop buying into propaganda paid for by billionaires trying to convince you to surrender what little power we have remaining.

There is a reason why people like Michael Bloomberg make the sorts of lobbying groups they do, and its not because they care about your safety.

And before you down vote this, ask yourself, "why do all these rich people who want us disarmed walk around with security guards carrying automatic weapons?"

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u/About7fish 9d ago

Let's not forget the Black Panthers who helped prevent police brutality by open-carry copwatching during arrests. A practice that the state of California found so abhorrent that they spearheaded gun control efforts under the pretense of protecting the public.

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u/tyler111762 9d ago

Yep. The vast majority of gun control legislation has its roots in racism, or classism, of one variety or another

Take the national firearms act in America. Requiring a 200 dollar tax on items like supressors, short rifles, machineguns, ect.

Does seem too bad.

Until you remember at the time that 200 dollar tax was imposed, a supressor cost less than 10 dollars.

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u/_Oooooooooooooooooh_ 9d ago

Remember kids, the right to own firearms, body armor, and all other tools used to exert force are the rights of the working man.

ah yes

we're all american!

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u/notsoorginalposter 9d ago

Not a big fan of Sam Hyde but I do think this video should be required viewing.

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u/FoxholeHead 9d ago

Wealth inequality is worse than it was prior to the French Revolution. No one is doing shit, bread and circuses are too strong right now.

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u/SyrusDrake 9d ago

Reminder that eating human meat is: a) Dangerous, because it may enable the transmission of extremely dangerous prion diseases b) Inefficient, since eating carnivores or omnivores with high meat diets is inefficient

I suggest we compost the rich and use them to fertilise sustainable and socially responsible agriculture.

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u/fender10224 9d ago

That shit is infuriating but I also believe its very important that we remind people that its not the steaks, or the gas guzzling sports cars, or even the ridiculous flights to remote Swiss villages, its the way in which they were able to get the money to pay for all that shit thats really a problem.

In other words, its less about consumption and more about who has the power of production, thats the real problem. When Darren Woods, the CEO of Exxon runs a company that puts about 111 million metic tones of Co2 (or equivalent GHG) in the atmosphere in 2020 because switching more quickly to green energy wouldn't be profitable in the short term, it doesn't much matter that he's flying his private jet to the Mediterranean once a month, or week, or day because its a tiny fraction of the amount that exon produces every year. And thats one company.

Obviously I'm not saying who cares about tayler Swifts outrageous flying habits, or the Ferrari getting 6 miles per gallon or the Swiss vacations but putting the responsibility of the climate disaster on mainly consumption while largely ignoring that just about 100 companies are responsible for 71% of all GHG emitted won't be the most efficient way to solve this thing. Its a class struggle my dudes.

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u/AberrantWarlock 9d ago

OK honestly God I’ve seen this eating bugs meme for like the past three years and I seriously don’t understand can someone enlighten me

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u/another_bug 9d ago

Meat is not always so good for the environment, and there's plenty of reason to think it will go up in price over time for a variety of reasons (not just the usual corporate price gouging either). So there's been a push to derive quality protein from insects, which should be more efficient than traditional meats.

Of course, that got a lot of pushback at that suggestion, usually by the same people who also want to ignore the reality and likely future of meat production, who are taking the suggestion to be some big plot by the New World Order or some other conspiracy. I can see how someone saying "I'm a billionaire and you should eat cricket flour" could be seen badly, but there's a lot of the talk about it nonsense.

Personally, I think it's a silly thing in the first place because there's plenty of non-animal protein sources already. And I've tried insects...they weren't great, IMO.

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u/DevLARP 8d ago

The joke is that the elite will tell the commoners to eat insects, while they continue to eat red meat and consume 1000x the resources than average — just like how they tell workers that wage growth is bad, while their wages skyrocket year on year.

The virtue signalling (hypocrisy) is the joke.

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u/10khours 9d ago

Yeh I completely agree. I am vegetarian so maybe I am bias, but would people really choose to eat crickets over tofu/chickpeas/beans/nuts/legumes/lentils/mycoprotein/seitan?

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u/AberrantWarlock 9d ago

OK, thank you a lot this take seems extremely fair and balanced

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u/disposable_account01 9d ago

I ate cricket chili in college 20 years ago. Shit was dope. Protein is protein as long as it has been thoroughly cleaned and properly seasoned/prepared.

Hell, lobster is basically a sea insect. Crab, too. People devour that shit.

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u/Bonesnapcall 9d ago

I've had a cricket burger. It wasn't as good as cow, obviously, but it was good in its own right.

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u/TreeSlayer-Tak 8d ago

Bugs are actually tasty, got some chocolate covered crickets a few years ago and they were pretty good

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u/muri_cina 9d ago

Personally I think of people eating protein blocks made of coackroaches Like in this Snowpiercer scene

But if you think of it as cute bugs in burgers and sausage forms, I guess it is not as bad.

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u/Random_Sime 9d ago

I've got a couple of disconnected points to make.

  1. Years ago there was a study on the environmental impact of farming different kinds of animal protein. Obviously beef has a high impact, less so for chicken and fish... but insects had the least impact.

  2. Following the mad cow disease outbreak in the 90s, farmers realised they can't supplement their feed with animal protein from the same kind of animal they're feeding, so they began to look for alternatives. Insect protein was determined to be the cheapest and most efficient source of animal protein.

  3. In many Asian and African countries, insects and spiders are a traditional snack food.

  4. In the last couple of years, supermarkets near me have stocked "cricket powder" in the healthfood section.

  5. The cost of beef and chicken has risen significantly over the last couple of years.

  6. With climate change affecting crop yield and animal mortality, insects are a viable source of protein for the future.

So with this info, I hope you've already started to join the dots. Insects are cheap, efficient, foreign, and starting to make their way into supermarkets. Everything that conservatives hate. They want their food to be affordable, but not so affordable that everyone can eat it. They want to know that their steak came from a ranch with thousands of acres of grass that takes millions of litres of water to supply. They don't want to eat food that poor, brown people eat.

Conservatives think this means that beef and chicken will be removed from shelves and replaced with grasshoppers that they'll be *forced* to eat.

I don't understand how they think they'll be forced to eat it, or why they think there won't be options to buy steak and nuggies at the same time. When someone complains about it, you can be sure they're lacking information and critical thinking skills.

Also, a Chinese co-worker brought a bowl of salted grasshoppers and meal worms to our office break room for Lunar New Year. I got into them and they're alright. It's a bit like eating popcorn with the way the shells get stuck on your gum line.

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u/HONcircle 9d ago edited 9d ago

I don't understand how they think they'll be forced to eat it, or why they think there won't be options to buy steak and nuggies at the same time.

It's all about making other people fear it.

Nico Rosberg has a company that uses insect protein for quick meals. Very environmentally conscious but also conservative seem to see that as something to be attacked. Trying to say it's less masculine or something.

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u/Random_Sime 9d ago

Oh yeah, I forgot the whole "real men eat beef" aspect. Or the "meat for men, salad for women" aspect. So infantile.

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u/theleopardmessiah 9d ago

How about a former hedge-fund manager and a Bitcoin promoter telling us that we can just consume all the world's resources and not give a damn about the consequences for our children?

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u/AirbornePapparazi 9d ago

He forgot to mention the high priced hookers/sex trafficking victims.

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u/AshFromTheStands 9d ago

Oh, there’s a looooottt of that. Imagine the industry and trade/commerce that these old, wrinkly, saggy skin fuckers are creating with top level, 1500 bucks per night “Instagram influencers”….

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u/redconvict 9d ago

All the while bribing law makers to make your life suck even more, make it legal for them to fuck you over when it comes to working conditions and pay along with plethora of things that simply exist as a prt of the ecosystem that is the society designed to wring as much profit out of you at the expense of the planet and humanity as a whole.

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u/Online_Commentor_69 9d ago

the "stay within 20 miles of your home" stuff is incomprehensible to me. 15-minute communities are so obviously good and awesome i cannot believe anybody would want to be against them, no matter how dug-in to the culture war they are.

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u/sephraes 9d ago

Because where my jobs have been located and pay me well have never been in areas I would want to actually live and do the things I want to do. And when you switch companies depending on your new location you may not get relocation.

I have been as close to work as 8 miles and as far as 32 while living in the same spot. In one case they shut down offices and relocated the office.

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u/Hugh_Maneiror 9d ago

It also implies no day trips, no holidays, don't visit family that lives far etc.

Plus there is no way in hell many people including myself could ever afford to buy property within 15 minutes of their work. I wouldn't get approved for a $1.5M loan, nor could I afford that.

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u/ESRDONHDMWF 9d ago

Nobody is against them. We just want to also have the option to vacation and travel once in a while.

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u/theladyfromthesky 9d ago

I wonder how private jet passenger tastes....

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u/Potaatolongster 9d ago

C'mon, billionaires work 3,780 times harder than you, they earned what they got.

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u/TheEveningRaccoon 9d ago

I see y'all are starting with the insect bullshit too. I guess it was only a matter of time.

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u/Mattcheco 9d ago

Where did this come from? I keep seeing people refer to eating insects for some reason.

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u/SnooMemesjellies7182 9d ago

Last week EU authorized a company to produce and sell bug protein powder as a "new food", meaning it can be added to all kinds of food and beverages (as long as it's properly declared obviously with allergy warnings and what not).

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u/I_GIVE_KIDS_MDMA 9d ago

This one is legit: was actually on the WEF Davos 2022 agenda for the Wagyu filet crowd.

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u/warmhotdogsmoothie 9d ago

Maybe if you had just picked yourself up by the bootstraps you’d have a private jet, too.

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u/leedade 9d ago

Where does the stay within 20 miles of your house thing come from? i dont understand what it means. Like dont drive far away so you dont have to use up fuel? What if you use an electric vehicle or bicycle?

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u/DoctorOsmium 9d ago

Who the fuck is eating insects lmfao

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u/Old_Gimlet_Eye 8d ago

Lots of people apparently. But it's become a right wing moral panic now, like vaccines and LED light bulbs.

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u/kuba_mar 8d ago

and gas stoves and... M&Ms in unsexy boots?

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u/BrightPerspective 9d ago

*Snowpiercer vibes intensify*

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u/alheeza 9d ago

Ikr how am i gonna find enough insects for dinner everyday

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u/Tony_Stark_0 9d ago

After all, we're just the peasant class, we need to obey the edicts of the aristocracy! /s /s /s