r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 23 '22 Silver 3 Helpful 5 Wholesome 5 Take My Energy 1 Bless Up (Pro) 1

Who makes you feel unsafe?

Post image
79.2k Upvotes

View all comments

1.0k

u/cjared242 Sep 23 '22

I’m afraid of people with confederate flags but if I was a girl I’d def be afraid of incels/tate fans

229

u/S4T4NICP4NIC Sep 23 '22

What's concerning is that people are displaying confederate flags in other countries. But I'm not really surprised. That kind of cancer knows no borders.

117

u/aethelredisready Sep 23 '22

Like ppl here flying third reich flags

30

u/Cheapskate-DM Sep 23 '22

Or edgy teens with CCCP flags.

13

u/Ericrobertson1978 Sep 23 '22

It's not all teens. I've met a lot of people and at least back in the 90s, there were some really serious dudes flying them back then.

I know for a fact a lot of those people still exist, and there's a whole lot of them.

I will agree a bunch are indeed edgy teens. Most indubitably. Lol

Edit. Syntax

23

u/Dangerous-Isopod1141 Sep 23 '22

The underlying ideologies of the Confederacy and Nazi Germany were different flavors of white supremacy, or to put it more bluntly, slavery and exterminating the Jews.

The ideology behind the CCCP was a more egalitarian organization of the economy and society, of course that's not what happened in practice, but equating the hammer and sickle with the swastika or confederate flag is pretty disingenuous.

6

u/Fun_in_Space Sep 23 '22

You're not wrong. The Nazis took a lot of ideas from Jim Crow laws.

10

u/Cheapskate-DM Sep 23 '22

The common denominator is a poor understanding of history. Though you could argue that nazi/confederates do understand history and want it to repeat...

2

u/drucario64 Sep 23 '22

There has to be a better way of expressing you like the idea of communism without embracing a symbol that represents so much pain and suffering.

2

u/The_Uncommon_Aura Sep 23 '22

Considering more Russians died because of direct CCCP government decisions (like purposefully starving entire regions), than Jews died in the Holocaust, I’d say that the equation isn’t all that disingenuous. They may not represent the same level of bigotry or hatred, but they certainly represent similar levels of lacking humanity and the abandonment of human rights generally.

2

u/DarkRain08 Sep 23 '22

Something I wonder is just how far the Nazis would have gone if they hadn’t been stopped. What they did in such a short time frame is horrifying.

2

u/Dangerous-Isopod1141 Sep 23 '22

My point is that in one country the atrocities were committed as a result of following the stated ideology of the regime, in the other it was going against it.

0

u/The_Uncommon_Aura Sep 23 '22

That still doesn’t separate the CCCP from having grossly and arguably more heinously violating countless human rights leading to the eventual deaths of millions of people. If anything the confederate flag is the one that doesn’t fit with the three because there is no immeasurable loss of human life attached to it. Obviously the ideology behind it is still atrocious and deserving of condemnation, but the connotation of your calling the comparison disingenuous is that somehow the CCCP is not as deserving of condemnation. I think that it is fine to clarify the comparison being unapt in the context, but that wasn’t what your wording implied.

-6

u/davor_aro Sep 23 '22

Of course equating hammer and sickle with swastika is right thing. Both represent murderous autoritative regimes oppressing minorities, killing their citizens, attacking other countries and destroying their own. However, hammer and sickle regime, of course, killed way more people

4

u/Kallchak Sep 23 '22

Perfectly described the ideology of neoliberalism dude bravo

3

u/HopelesAromantic Sep 23 '22

Hammer and sickle regime also existed for 50 years more than both of them and had way more population

Not defending them though, deadliest ideology for a reason

-1

u/davor_aro Sep 23 '22

So, that tyranny lasted longer, killed more people, destroyed more lives and dreams, tortured more people, ruined more countries, and it still continues doing it in certain countries, successor states never repent, it’s still causing war conflicts in former subordinate states, but it’s less evil only because it’s… less efficient?

4

u/HopelesAromantic Sep 23 '22

I mean, if the national socialists were around for as long as the Soviets they would have killed way more people, as their ideology is based on racial purity and killing any undesirables. The Soviets (mostly under Stalin) only did purposeful killings playing them off as accidents (the terror famine), the n @ z i s had dedicated death camps and promoted hate towards the racially impure. The Great Leap Forward was mostly due to horrible mismanagement and the "sinification" of East Turkestan happened after the regime took on a more capitalist aproach. The DPRK is an autocratic hereditary monarchy based on a personality cult founded with the excuse of communism, but may be the closest thing today to the ideology of most of continental Europe circa 1940

0

u/Sprockerdog Sep 23 '22

CCCP’s ideology was Marxism-Leninism, which is a fundamentally authoritarian regime - a key tenant of which is suppressing opposition & those they consider a danger to their cause. This is why most Marxist-Leninist revolts have had mass politicides, predominantly attacking political opposition (anyone who isn’t a communist, or at least, isn’t openly labelling themselves as such), “bourgeoisie”, members of the clergy, and often intelligentsia (but only those who dared to question the ideology). And unfortunately Jews within the CCCP were also targeted more generally as part of a populist narrative to stir up hatred.

Later on in the union, workers who failed to meet production quotas, were also killed, or sent to camps. Those camps were so prominent they did a large amount of the work in helping modernise the CCCP & became an important part of the soviet economy.

Also, let’s not forget the deliberate cause of famine in much of what is now Ukraine & Kazakhstan, now known as the Holodomor or Great Famine. It’s also thought that the racist, populist, sentiment with the CCCP between Russians & Non-Russians (as there are obviously many ethnic groups within the territory there), led to the population being ignored - raising the question of genocide. And as a side note, they also instated a program of Russification, by forcibly transporting ethnic Russians around their territory to make it more ethnically Russian.

None of this means that the Nazis or Confederates can be excused from the truly horrific acts they committed & supported, but the hammer and sickle has also flown over & been the cause of countless deaths. The ideology it comes from is also, in large part, a cause of that. So, it’s not that disingenuous really.

2

u/Dangerous-Isopod1141 Sep 23 '22

I'm not by any means condoning the atrocities committed by any state, or saying there aren't problems with the ideologies, but bourgeoisie isn't exactly an immutable characteristic like the other things you're comparing it with. You could also make those same arguments of authoritarianism and suppressing opposition about the abolishment of slavery, which ideologically isn't far removed from getting rid of the bourgeoisie.

None of this means that the Nazis or Confederates can be excused from the truly horrific acts they committed & supported, but the hammer and sickle has also flown over & been the cause of countless deaths. The ideology it comes from is also, in large part, a cause of that. So, it’s not that disingenuous really.

To be consistent, you should add (among others) the American and British flag to the list too then.

2

u/Rudania-97 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Pretty interesting statement, concidering the CCCP created more equality and economic freedom than most other countries after the industrialization

2

u/ButtonholePhotophile Sep 23 '22

Cross Country Cooter Patrol? Is that some kind of sexually harassing runner’s group?

2

u/UsedToBeAmused Sep 23 '22

That edginess has been co-opted by seeing the Republicans side with Putin.

1

u/Kallchak Sep 23 '22

Ah yes not going to forget that both sides bad, but ironically, some edgy teens that run an actual American or British flag are not much better)

0

u/CRKFIEND Sep 23 '22

Doesn't surprise me. Most Redditors turn into Nazis when you have a difference of opinion.