r/StarWars Rebel 8d ago Gold 6 Platinum 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 To The Stars 1 Brighten My Day 1 Credit to the Rebellion 1 Silver 1

I'm the guy that says "Just let the girl speak!" in Rogue One (Samuel Victor / Torius Chord). I'm new to Reddit, will swap upvotes for annecdotes? AMA

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u/JSK23 r/StarWars Mod 8d ago edited 8d ago

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u/jonnyinternet 8d ago

What backstory does your character have, whether provided by the writers or one that you made up?

Edit: you and the fight club guy who also commented should make a club

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

The part of Torius Chord / Blue Two was originally much bigger and played by an actor far more famous than me, but I replaced him in the reshoots and despite me filming a few scenes the part was essentially edited down to just this one line in the final cut, coincidentally the one I improvised and was never said by the original actor.

Yes, I know who the original actor was, and yes, I know the backstory, but I am very much not allowed to say and nearly got in trouble with Disney ninjas before who very strongly reminded me of NDAs that I signed. Sorry! As a fan myself I know that's frustrating.

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u/BaronGrackle 8d ago

My new headcanon is that Torius Chord had daydreams about being more prominent, imagining scenes like the one done by his previous actor. Those deleted scenes still exist in his head. Thank you!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha that's somewhat true. I must be one of only a small number of people who know the original actor and the content of those scenes. Knowledge I must die with! bwahahaaa

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u/BigToober69 8d ago

I'm curious. What happens to you if you were to tell us? Do they lock you in space mountain?

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u/Bobthecow775 8d ago

They'll sue him so hard his descendants will still be paying Disney back in 200 years

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u/SkinnyBill93 8d ago

The existence of generational debt is all I need to join the Rebel Alliance.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

This. When I accidentally nearly broke what I thought was an expired clause of my NDA I got very swift and very scary sounding legal contact from a company that was NOT messing around. Never want to make that mistake again. Also, don't want a reputation as untrustworthy in the industry and risk getting blacklisted from working on future projects.

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u/Narrator_Ron_Howard 8d ago

Don't mess with the Mouse. I can't emphasize that enough.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yup. No intention of it. They've been very good to me. But still a company that size is one that you do not want to tussle with!

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u/02Alien 8d ago

Realistically he'll probably just be blacklisted by Disney and possibly other companies. So not really worth it for the reddit points

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah that's a huge concern. SO much of this industry is based on trust and reputation, and people knowing you won't just run around bragging about something to impress a date or make money from the paparazzi. Hopefully being I'm only talking about publically verifiable stuff on a movie that was shot like 7 years ago, I'm ok as long as I don't cross that secrecy line.

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u/wastedmytwenties 8d ago

Out of all of the properties of this type, Star Wars seems to be the least creatively wasteful, and nearly every cut concept and idea seems to get reused and repurposed eventually, so I'd imagine they don't want you giving away what might end up being a major plot/character/actor for say, Andor Season 2, or Patty Jenkins Rogue Squadron (if it ever makes it out of production hell).

The fan in me is frustrated you can't reveal more, but hopefully it comes out in one way or another eventually.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yeah this is a lot of why they don't like people sharing such secrets, stuff genuinely gets reused and repurposed. And also such a strong fanbase likes having "fun facts" that feel special to know, but can essentially accidentally make rejected content or ideas canon.

And believe me, I would LOVE it if Torius Chord gets to be in Andor season 2, even if they recast me as someone younger and prettier ;)

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u/PsychedSy 8d ago

cries in EU

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I know, I'm sorry. As a fan who grew up specifically loving all the extended universe stuff gleamed from comics, novels, videogames etc in the 80s & 90s, it pains me to have knowledge and not be able to share with fellow fans! But I hope this means that as others above pointed out, the unused story stuff may get reused / drawn upon later for more "proper" content.

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u/JimJohnman 8d ago

Well that only piqued my curiosity more.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I know, I'm sorry! But Disney ninjas are real and I nearly fell afoul of them before, so I have to tow the line. (And I'm happy to do so. Again, I feel immeasurably privilidged to have been involved in any way whatsoever)

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u/Cyberpunkapostle Imperial 8d ago

Disney ninjas

I'm imagining someone asking you these same questions about Blue Two for the first time, you taking a deep breath in about to say something and a bunch of these guys come crashing in through the roof and through your windows.

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u/T65Bx 8d ago

Wait did you just draw that for this comment?

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u/Cyberpunkapostle Imperial 8d ago

Haha no, I found it on DeviantArt. I just reuploaded it to imgur for the shortened url and load speed.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I lol'd. I wish they were that cute. Not scary and overly litigious. Again though, not complaining, love working on Disney properties, hope to do more of it, thats why I play ball.

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u/ddiiibb 8d ago

One does not upset the Mouse, and live to tell the tale.

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u/CoolNerdyReference 8d ago

I know, right? Fun to speculate about who almost got to be the hero that saved Yavin IV. We’ll never know whether the name rhymes with Donnie Jepp, Bichael J. Mordan, or Sandy Irkis.

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u/numberonebuddy 8d ago

Or Dudi Jench

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

You got me. It was Judi Dench who was exactly the same costume measurements as me. I'm quite dainty!

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u/79a21 8d ago

I’ll assume it’s Nicholas cage

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u/theemrlewis 8d ago

Maybe they did but they just aren’t talking about it

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

The first rule of minor featured extras club, is don't talk about minor featured extras club ;)

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u/LonelyMachines Director Krennic 8d ago

In the old days, he would feature in 11 Expanded Universe books and have a 30-page backstory on Wookiepedia.

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u/HideTheGuestsKids Poe Dameron 8d ago

That was one of the things I liked about the EU, the fact that Wookiepedia was packed with details about every even a little interesting seeming being. The stories themselves weren't always that great, but damn were there many of them.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I have a (very small!) entry on Wookiepedia. I've no idea who added me but I'd like to buy them a beer one day :)

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u/herbaliciouswwweed 8d ago

So if it weren't for you, it's quite possible Yavin IV would have gotten smoked!

You're an unsung hero. Have an upvote.

Who was the kindest person you worked with on it?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

Thank you! Haha yes, I did rather save an entire moon, didn't I!

Probably predictable answer but out of all the cast I got to work with, Felicity Jones was absolutely the sweetest person. For some reason I'll never understand my trailer was near to hers and we shared a hair/makeup (or at least minor touch up?) team.

That particular scene, the director wasn't happy with the low energy level and was encouraging everyone around the table including extras who could be seen on camera to improvise and be rowdy and interject. Everyone was nervous to do so, being in the presence of such accomplished actors and on such an important project, but she was extremely encouraging and kind, telling certain people (myself included) "that was good, say it again next take".

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u/herbaliciouswwweed 8d ago

Jyn Erso for the win!!!

Thanks so much for sharing... Good luck with your Karma farming.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha thank you! I'm farming for Bantha Milk and Karma (mostly because a few places I need to post require the latter).

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u/TheBohemian_Cowboy 8d ago

Gotta respect the hustle

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

Haha thank you - holy crud I only needed a couple of hundred, I didn't expect to get such a kind response!

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u/TheRapidScooter 8d ago

You seem like a genuine good person from what I've read so far. You deserve your moment of fame! Soak it up! I think I speak for many and say we also felt your love for the material with just a few words.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

Thank you so much. I'm trying to keep up with comments and respond to everyone because I'm feeling the love and I really appreciate it. It means so much that other people love this film and world as much as I do.

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u/Beach_Kitten_ 8d ago

I’ll take your leftovers! Lol Been on a year and still can’t post some places since I haven’t reached 100. Darn, 17 to go. :( I just don’t engage that much, love your gusto though!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Thanks - I'm rather overwhelmed, wasn't expecting this response, kindof expected to get flamed and told to gtfo. I've just liked your post so hopefully that helped!

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u/ChiefFox24 8d ago

Star Wars fans either love their characters or hate them. Being in what might be the most popular Star Wars movie ever does tend to help that.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

To be honest, I had no idea that Rogue One was so beloved by the hardcore fans. From me meeting people at conventions and theme parks it seems to be somewhat of a marmite film - you either really connect with the human side of it, or you think its slow and boring and "where's the lightsabres". Reddit has pleasantly surprised me, to say the least. I'm humbled and grateful.

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u/HellTrain72 8d ago

Man of your talents???

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

"It's a peaceful life!" :D

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u/AveryLazyCovfefe Grand Moff Tarkin 8d ago

It's a simple life.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Lonely, I imagine... since Lyra died, yes.

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u/a_butthole_inspector 8d ago

Oh boy here’s lyra back from the friggin dead again

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u/Earmilk987 8d ago

Karma farming? Really? A man of your talents?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

It's a peaceful life ;)

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u/brokenfl 8d ago

Blue Milk every day !!! Moisture Farmer for life

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u/Phylus42069 8d ago To The Stars

You own GME too, don't you.

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u/Slobotic 8d ago

I did rather save an entire moon, didn't I!

That's no moo... oh no, wait. That's a moon.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha this got a proper belly laugh from me. Well done!

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 8d ago

Wait that was improved?

Dang, I thought that was a written line.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yup! Improvised by me, and then liked by a female producer (not sure who) and Tony Gilroy on set, and was pencilled in to the shooting script, and then got added to everything from then on - all novel adaptations, foreign dubs, etc. I get a real kick out of knowing that. Technically perhaps I should have gotten an "additional materials" credit, but I don't care about that, I'm just proud to have shaped the film in any tiny way whatsoever.

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u/solehan511601 Obi-Wan Kenobi 8d ago edited 8d ago

What an incredible experience! I personally loved how every people were discussing during the sequence in Yavin 4, and to hear those were improvised is impressive.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yes its a great scene that really drives home both how torn everyone is (and clearly explains both sides) but also how the Rebel pilots and frontline soldiers who could be seen by the upper eschelon as cannon fodder or expendable were truly valued and listened to. Thats one reason I'm so happy my line remained in there - a shout from an unimportant soldier changing the behaviour and opinion of those far higher ranking and even politicians etc. round the same table.

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u/boogs_23 8d ago

That makes me happy. I love Felicity Jones and really want to see her with all the success she deserves.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

She's amazing. I was well aware of her talents before we met and if memory serves it was right after she won her first Oscar [edit: Oscar nomation. Thank you for the correction, comment section :) ]. Everyone in Rogue One was brilliant as an ensemble but she could have carried it on her own. Incredible actress who will have a long, storied career, I am sure.

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u/N1kl4us2222 8d ago

Was the "what is she proposing?" Improvised too?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yes, I replied in detail in another couple of replies, but I believe there were 6 lines that came out of thosed improvised takes which became "proper" pencilled in lines and were repeated each time, and recorded again in ADR to get a clean take. Out of those, just my line and "what is she proposing" made the final edit.

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u/Philosophile42 8d ago

I know you said in another reply that you didn't get proper credit, but speaking roles in a film means you need a SAG card and other stuff right? Or maybe I've been misinformed in the past. Were you a member of SAG before the film?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 7d ago edited 4d ago

Short (but not quite accurate, but accurate enough to mean you can fudge things) answer is that "Hollywood" productions shot in UK (or Canadian?) studios don't have to follow all the American union rules, especially if they are hired through an external agency who is hiring you freelance. This is the reason there are often literally hundreds of people who worked in all capacities (not just acting, the States system has separate guilds and unions for almost every discipline) on big movies that aren't named in the credits despite the thousands of names given to seemingly tiny jobs - the (somewhat broken) American guilds and unions have very strict rules about who can and can't be credited for what.

But yeah, if I wanted to get all lawyered up, technically I was slightly underpaid and didn't recieve multiple credits I would have gotten, if we had shot in an American based studio lot. But then, I also wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, because I'm not in SAG. (The UK equivalent is Equity. But even that, you can be very lapse with on these big multinational projects).

And of course, I would never dream of trying to sue Disney, nor would I want to. As I made very clear at every step of the way since the second I heard Force Awakens was being made in Pinewood, I would have worked for free or even paid handsomely to get on set, and I felt lucky to even breath the same air as anyone involved.

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u/SpudFire 8d ago

Do you keep in touch with her at all?

My mum knew somebody who was an extra in GoT alongside Maisie Williams and they kept in touch, despite Maisie being about a 1/4 of her age.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Sadly not, as someone actively in the industry and working on many projects you work out pretty quickly that if you try and be toooo friendly (like asking for photos, posting on social media etc) you will never be invited back again. However, as I regularly go to red carpet events, award shows etc, and am a producer working on ever bigger projects, one day I may very well bump into her, and ask her if she remembers me, and then use that to segue into us perhaps working together again. I'd love to, she's incredible, of course.

My friend runs a company that used to provide supporting artists for GoT and therefore I know about 50 people who've been on set, and I've heard nothing but lovely things about Maisie. Thats a very sweet story, thank you for sharing.

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u/diamond 8d ago

Maybe some day you'll be in a meeting with her where people aren't letting her speak. You'll know what to do.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha oh man, I DREAM of that day!!

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u/Historyp91 8d ago

I have a bit of a crush on her, so it's nice to hear she's such a nice person😊

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Oh dude she was lovely. And disarmingly beautiful as well, of course. Also, goes without saying, but incredible actress. You could feel the gravitas from her, even in rehersals, or when standing in while the lighting, framing, focus etc were being sorted. She took everything very seriously, but also was very humble, kind, and acted no more important than anyone else on the set. She was kind to runners, grips, etc, even heard her asking others if they wanted her to get water for them etc. 100% class act.

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u/sBucks24 8d ago

That particular scene, the director wasn't happy with the low energy level and was encouraging everyone around the table including extras who could be seen on camera to improvise and be rowdy and interject. Everyone was nervous to do so,

That's an amazing story! I can absolutely imagine everyone acting like a freshman, afraid to put their hand up first!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha yes that's exactly what it was like. Thankfully, I was at least slightly more confident than many of the extras, as I was a producer and had had lead acting roles too, albeit in tiny films no-one has seen, but I didn't have QUITE as big as an imposter syndrome as many of the others did... I was still bricking it though because ASDAGFSDGG It's Star Wars!!

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u/Oseirus 8d ago

Is she really as small as she looks in this photo or was everyone else just exceptionally tall?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I'd guess Felicity is around 5'2" - 5'3", I'm 6 foot and she came to just under my chin when we were stood together. In the picture I'm the guy on the far left, talking whilst others look at him, so you can judge their heights accordingly.

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u/something-lame 8d ago

Seeing extras get speaking lines always makes me think of this.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha I love Key & Peele. Surprisingly accurate, that ;)

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u/Shacky_Rustleford 8d ago

Wait, the line was Ad-lib?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yup! Improvised by me, and then liked by a female producer (not sure who) and Tony Gilroy on set, and was pencilled in to the shooting script, and then got added to everything from then on - all novel adaptations, foreign dubs, etc. I get a real kick out of knowing that. Technically perhaps I should have gotten an "additional materials" credit, but I don't care about that, I'm just proud to have shaped the film in any tiny way whatsoever.

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u/Shacky_Rustleford 8d ago

You made up the line that saved a galaxy far far away

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u/Tuckertcs 8d ago

That’s so wholesome! I’m not an actor but I can definitely imagine the situation where a small actor or extra would feel shy going off script around the main cast.

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u/roto_disc Watto 8d ago edited 8d ago

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Haha that guy improvised that as well, and we recorded the ADR at the same time. I wish I'd have taken his name and stayed in touch. From what I remember, there were 6 of us who had improv lines that were saved for possible use in the edit, but I think its only those 2 that survived the cut.

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u/SnabDedraterEdave Rebel 8d ago

Okay, guess now we need Reddit sleuths to try and reconnect you two in real life. lol

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u/mwoolweaver 8d ago

Remember what happened that one time Reddit sleuths did something?

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u/roto_disc Watto 8d ago

Amazing. Thanks for sharing.

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u/GeneralGhidorah 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yes I want to hear from the guy who said this. Makes me laugh out loud every time.

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u/vanearthquake 8d ago

It sounds like there is so much anger in the way it is said. Like dude is at the back and can’t hear shit - just wants to know if he’s a rebel yet or not

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u/dxrebirth 8d ago

Lmfao. Me and my ex used to quote this all the time. Best line in the movie

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u/emperornorton415 8d ago

This is the legendary line. I need to hear from this person.

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u/BaronGrackle 8d ago

Does it kind of feel neat that the "era" of your Star Wars character is still getting new material, through Andor? Or is it about the same feeling as any other new Star Wars content for you, since it's the same universe anyway? (If that question makes sense..)

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

I'm overjoyed that Rogue One is such a loved film and that it continues/expands through books, games, and of course Andor. I'm not going to lie, I would have loved to have been involved with that show and considering I have many friends, colleagues and contacts in many areas of Disney, I always secretly held a hope that if there was a Rogue One Prequel, I would be involved... but in no way do I take it as a slight or feel insulted, I was such a tiny part I doubt it was even an afterthought. Its also possible that because Torius Chord / Blue Two as was in the original cut played by another actor was essentially removed, in Disney's headcannon it may be that I technically just play an anonymous voice in the crowd, in the final edit.

For the record, I loved Andor, and am very glad it exists. Disney/Lucasfilm owe me nothing and I am eternally grateful for them working with me back then, even if nothing else ever comes from it, its more than enough. Hell, I was begging to be a stormtrooper with no lines and my face hidden inside a helmet - the fact you can see my face and hear my voice is mindblowing to me! :D

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u/IMC-Grunt64 8d ago

There is gonna be a second season of Andor, which will lead right up to Rogue One. So maybe this next season you may get the call. Who knows.

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u/realauthormattjanak 8d ago

I'm one of the guys who sat in a theater seat after paying for a ticket to watch Rogue One.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha I was one of those people too! Many times!

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u/vanearthquake 8d ago

I bet you said the line quietly when it came up in the movie didn’t you!

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u/FlyingDragoon 8d ago

My uncle was an extra in the movie "The Untouchables" and I don't even think he has a line, instead he pauses the film to renact the entire scene, what he did, what happened, etc. And then plays it. Was sort've annoying as a kid but now that I'm older it's like a freebie behind the scenes kinda thing.

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u/sabermagnus 8d ago

The real hero

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u/Sheyvan 8d ago

"Just let the guy watch!"

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u/VonMillersExpress 8d ago

Perhaps the real heroes were the lines we improvised along the way

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u/VanillaTortilla Rebel 8d ago

Yo I was that guy too! Small world.

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u/realauthormattjanak 8d ago

Did you see me? I was wearing a Star Wars shirt.

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u/VanillaTortilla Rebel 8d ago

Oh shit, that was you?? Wow, crazy!

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u/StrategicBlenderBall 8d ago

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

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u/Asleep_Dot7972 8d ago

I’m the 4th guy who said “his name was Robert Paulsen “ in Fight Club. Will work for updoots.

Edit: Welcome!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

That's awesome! What a great movie.

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u/eraldopontopdf 8d ago

I knew you look familiar

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u/Victory33 8d ago

You just broke the first (and second) rule of Fight Club.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago Bravo! Wholesome Seal of Approval The Force is Strong with You

Context: Massive Star Wars fan my whole life, in the entertainment industry many years doing mostly tiny jobs and acting in straight to dvd budget releases, campaigned tirelessly to get work on Force Awakens, to no avail despite many of my friends being extras...

Torius Chord / Blue Two was originally played by a different actor who for whatever reason (I don't know) didn't/couldn't make it back for reshoots. I fitted his costume and the rough look, so got a phonecall saying if I could make it to Pinewood by 7am, I would be in Rogue One. It was absolutely the most incredible experience of my life and everyone on set was amazing.

I had my own trailer, and a small amount of lines, none of which made it to the final cut. However, the director of the reshoots wanted more energy to the rebel council meeting scene and encouraged us to shout out and improvise. One take I yelled "Just let the girl speak!" and they liked it, pencilled it in to the script, and called me back to re-record a clean take in ADR. That improvised line is the only one of mine that made it to the final cut... its even in all the novelisations. I never received a writing credit! (just kidding I'm just hugely humbled to be forever immortalised.)

I'm occasionally invited to appear at comiccons, or events (for example a charity toy launch at Hamleys, a celeb half marathon at Disneyland Paris) and if I ever make any money from such things, I donate 100% of it to causes or projects helping more women get into writing and directing independent film - being that I'm known for saying "Just let the girl speak", and several people close to me have been affected by #metoo style events, it seems appropriate to help redress the balance of a mostly male dominated industry and give a voice to those who wouldn't usually get to express themselves this way.

[EDIT - holy crud, 3 million views, multiple awards, Reddit Premium and over 1k coins? I'm very new to Reddit and don't really know how all this works, or how/why I'm getting these accolades, but I'm SO overwhelmed and grateful with how kind and welcoming people are being! THANK YOU to everyone upvoting or doing whatever you are doing to make this a reality! Also, for anyone doubting if this story is real, I have sent proof of my identity to the mods and they've confirmed I'm legit - thank you to them for that.]

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u/disturbedbovine 8d ago

I love everything about this story, thanks for sharing!

Who directed this scene and how much of it was re-shot would you say?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Thank you! Glad people seem to be getting a kick out of it! I've never felt right about profiting in any way from getting to live out a childhood dream, and I'm not sure Disney would like me milking profit from it in any way, but I love using people's joy for Star Wars as a "Force For Change" (a charity for which I was also a founder member of :) )

I think its been publically stated that at least a third of Rogue One was reshoots. I know of 3 weeks worth of filming because either I or one of my colleagues were around in Pinewood at that time, but I'm sure they went on far longer than that. I wouldn't be allowed to mention any of the cut content or what was replaced, I'd never work in films again! But that particular scene was 100% reshoots for certain.

The unofficial director of most of the reshoots was Tony Gilroy, who I think ended up with a writing credit. From the scenes I was involved in at least, there was quite a lot of re-writing happening as they were filming, asking the cast to improvise and when things worked, a female producer (looked like Kathleen Kennedy but I highly doubt it was) would pencil in the changes to the script, and everything would reset, and they'd keep going til Gilroy felt the scene worked.

I should make very clear that none of that should bismerch Gareth Edwards in any way, I've met and spoken to him about several other projects and he is an absolute visionary, a genius and a thoroughly nice chap, to boot. We have a lot in common in that we both started producing our own super low budget movies, producing the visual effects ourself, and using that to gain larger Hollywood contracts (I'm currently helming a pretty large superhero project, as yet unannounced but in development since 2014 - these things are slow progress!).

I think perhaps the feeling for the need to reshoot so much of Edwards' original version was that he shot it as a character piece about people in a war, and the higher ups felt it didn't feel enough like "Star Wars" because there wasn't initially as much action, no light sabres, big set pieces etc. I could be wrong however, that last part is just my conjecture. I'm 100% sure Edwards' version was excellent - just maybe not blockbuster-esque enough for some of the above the line people? Hope I'm not talking out of line, again, that last part is conjecture based on almost nothing.

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u/LeicaM6guy 8d ago

Given the success of Andor, I’d be very curious to see what Edwards’ take was. Quiet can be just as effective as the bang-bang.

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u/willflameboy Grand Moff Tarkin 8d ago

Gilroy made R1 into a suicide mission, which you could argue made it work. But Edwards did so much of the legwork for R1, and the mere fact that he approached it visually, by encouraging crew to shoot experimental stills before production, really gave it the vibe it has. The Stormtroopers in the water is the most notable example of this. I think his work is what really comes through in R1, and breathed life into the franchise. I'd love them to hire him for another project.

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u/LeicaM6guy 8d ago

I’ll admit, I’m really glad the water scene didn’t make it. Wading knee deep through water while taking fire and trying to shoot back isn’t a great idea.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha true. The irony is that in a Hollywood production, anything involving bodies of water is automatically 20x more expensive than the same scene on dry land, whether shot practically or with CGI.

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u/LeicaM6guy 8d ago

As a photographer, can confirm. I've toasted more than a handful of cameras doing underwater and water-level work.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

I feel your pain bro. I destroyed a RED One, back when they were $18k for the body alone.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 7d ago

Edwards is supremely talented and I'm in awe of what he has done in all of the films he has directed. And yes that scene with the Stormtroopers is breathtaking. I feel Rogue One did a lot to make the Star Wars films feel more lived in/relatable, and even occasionally like a documentary or something similar. Its a brilliant film and I'd never say a bad word against Edwards. Equally though, Gilroy is brilliant and was great to work with and I admire him greatly too. I don't want to assume they are in any way rivals, this isn't a Whedon/Snyder Justice League situation where they both had polar opposite ideas, I think Gilroy's style suited Edwards' perfectly and made a great finished product.

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u/SwishySalal 8d ago

I honestly don’t know anything about the two but I do know that Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie out of all of them. It clearly took the work of both of them to make it work so well.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Though I've spoken industry stuff with Edwards at reasonable length (I was essentially advised by some heavy hitters including Paul Franklin to follow Edwards' career path to migrate from low budget productions to a Hollywood career. I spoke to him mostly as a nobody/fan who happened to have some connections that would place me next to him briefly. I don't know if he'd even remember, I'm sure he meets a million people who want to talk to him about breaking into the industry, and I'm very much a nobody still!). To be clear, I'm not even slightly trying to pretend we are friends or remotely in the same league. I haven't spoken to him since 2015 and would have no idea his opinion of Andor and its far from my place to speculate.

I'm 100% sure his original version of Rogue One was a fantastic movie. I'd just imagine it was more akin to his "Monsters" and "Godzilla" where it was mostly focused on the "on the ground / in the trenches" human drama, while much of the "action" is happening offscreen around them, and fear/impact is implied by their reactions rather than spectacle. This is a truly brave way to direct a Star Wars movie, but then the Anthology films were meant to be just that - it was specified from the start there wouldn't be light sabres or flashy dogfights, and this would take a more nuanced approach to the "good vs evil" tropes. That's what he pitched and I'm fairly sure that's what he made.

That said, if anything I feel the action sequences in the final cut of Rogue One are incredible and all the more impactful because of the more grounded take on the actual soldiers fighting in the war. I don't think Vader has ever been mroe intimidating.

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u/LeicaM6guy 8d ago

Oh man, I totally forgot about Monsters and Godzilla. Both were amazing - better than they had any right to be. Those two sit right next to Cloverfield for my "giant monster trilogy" collection.

Don't get me wrong - Rogue One is one of my favorite Star Wars films, and adding Darth Vader to the end was just the perfect way to close it out - but I'll always wonder about what the original version would have looked like.

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u/Reptile449 8d ago edited 8d ago

Monsters is a great film, pretty unique atmosphere for something that's also a scifi/horror/action movie

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Even more impressive when you realise it had practically no budget and he did all the VFX work himself on his home computer! Crazy.

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u/valdezlopez 8d ago

I was just about to say pretty much this. Now I really, REALLY wanna see what Gareth Edwards had in mind.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

I'd love to see his first cut too, and I'm sure it would have been fantastic. But I don't think anything Gilroy added made it "worse" in any way whatsoever. Just upped the spectacle a bit to get those fan pleasing moments for the people expecting a popcorn movie. That Vader ending was spectacular, and seemed to turn the opinions of the viewers who had found the film a bit slow up until that moment. (I don't agree with them, I think it was excellently paced. But I have seen people online posing those kinds of opinions).

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u/hoos30 8d ago

I'm betting he doesn't send Tony Gilroy a Christmas card.

If Gilroy turned Andor into a critical hit by following the style he re-shot out of Rogue One, that would be quite a story.

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u/localcosmonaut Jyn Erso 8d ago

They also worked together on Godzilla, so I doubt there’s much animosity between them. Collaboration is good, Edwards has significantly less experience than Gilroy, and you can tell plenty of Edwards’ work is in the film.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 7d ago

Yes, this is my take. I'd prefer not to pit them against each other, there is clearly a huge amount of respect for each other there and their styles gell very well as they understand each others' sensibilities.

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u/PainStorm14 Chirrut Imwe 8d ago

Correct

Edwards asked for Gilroy to come over when reshoots were ordered

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Yup. I didn't know if that was public knowledge so I didn't post it. But yeah, I heard that too from people on set.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

I try not to speculate on anyone's personal feelings or opinions but I feel that a lot of the percieved negativity is people imagining drama because its human nature through evolutionary survival instincts to look for danger/disharmony in groups.

I'm not aiming that accusation at you, just saying I feel they both have worked together plenty of times before and respect and understand each others' style and work. I don't think either would see each other as rivals, unless in a friendly competitive "making each other better" kind of way.

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u/Lawlcopt0r 8d ago

Imo, the finished movie is a good balance of action and quiet, so it's not like his take was totally lost

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u/lovelifelivelife 8d ago

This is so interesting! Rogue one will always be my favourite star wars film and I always felt like the dialogue and lines were more real rather than cheesy and scripted like a lot of the older films (which is charming in their own right too of course).

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Thank you so much! Empire will always be my favourite Star Wars movie because of the impact the revalations had to me as a kid, and how much I loved Frank Oz's Yoda. However, Rogue One is definitely my favourite of the Disney movies and if I remove my nostalgia goggles and look from a film critic's perspective, I could certainly argue that its the best overall! :)

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u/God_Boner 8d ago

I think perhaps the feeling for the need to reshoot so much of Edwards' original version was that he shot it as a character piece about people in a war, and the higher ups felt it didn't feel enough like "Star Wars" because there wasn't initially as much action, no light sabres, big set pieces etc

Love Rogue One, but I definitely want to see a directors cut of this

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u/roguefilmmaker 8d ago

Agreed, the extended Scarif stuff from the trailer seemed really cool

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Absolutely. As a verteran of the battle of Scarif, Torius Chord agrees! haha

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u/NegativeChirality 8d ago

Must be a bit galling for him to look at the reception Andor has gotten!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Perhaps, but they were friends and colleagues before Rogue One, I'm sure he's pleased for his success and continuation of the characters and settings he put so much love into shaping. I try and stay out of industry drama and from what little I know of them both, they do too. Anything else is press hype for clicks.

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u/danc4498 8d ago

Do you know if Tony Gilroy knows that we all demand to get this characters back story added to Andor season 2? So many I answered questions. Like, how did he get there? And when did he get there? We need answers.

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u/InfamousIndecision 8d ago

Daniel Craig was in Star Wars, but we never saw his face.

You were in Star Wars and we got to see your face.

You beat Daniel Craig.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha, well I was an extra in 2 Bond movies... but you can't see my face. So I guess we are even... I'll get you next time Mr Bond!

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u/AnyNamesLeftAnymore Obi-Wan Kenobi 8d ago

Which technically makes him stronger than a knotted rope to the balls.

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u/JimJohnman 8d ago

Damn, that's so cool. That line actually always stuck out to me, it really sold the chaos through passion sensation of the scene. Fascinating to know it was improv. Props, stranger.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Thank you so much! It always makes me emotional how many people tell me that the line specifically stuck out to them and they appreciated the lone voice from a frontline grunt willing to speak out against his superiors, politicians etc to tell them to give Jyn a chance to tell her story - one which as we know, goes on to save so many lives. I occasionally see people making memes or quoting it on twitter from people who have no idea it was me who said it, nor that it was improv.

Despite me starting to work in a much higher capacity on some pretty huge projects, in many ways I feel my career forever peaked here, just by the sheer significance of that one line, and the fact that in my head I'm still that little boy replaying my VHS copies of the movies until they were unwatchable, and playing with my toys until all the joints were loose. Whenever I'm in the Disney theme parks (and I actually have an apartment and office within walking distance from Disneyland Paris) I beam with happiness when I see how many people Star Wars makes happy, and the love being passed on to the new generations.

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u/CornCheeseMafia 8d ago

Weirdly enough Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie hands down and it’s details like yours that make it for me. That movie captured everything good about the franchise and condensed it into a tight and well paced story that completely stands out on its own.

Clearly a bunch of Star Wars fans just trying to make something true to the universe. To me it has the most heart of all the post original trilogy movies and holds its own against those too.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Goodness me, thank you, how kind and wonderful you feel that way. It makes me emotional when people feel that way about the film as that's certainly how it felt to me.

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u/robodrew 8d ago

That's awesome. Your character has a name and a line, which means BAM he is now immortalized in Star Wars canon forever. If it hasn't happened already, people WILL come up with an entire backstory for him.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

Thank you! Yes, I'm forever immortalised in many little ways that blow my mind - appearing in official Star Wars merch etc. Watching Rogue One for the first time, I knew there was a good chance I'd be completely cut (that's happened to me on several big blockbuster productions, it happens) so I was just praying for at least one second of screentime to be able to prove I was there. The fact I got such an iconic line into the final production just blows my mind to this day.

There was a much deeper backstory to Torius Chord / Blue Two in the original script and with the original far more famous actor but I'll never be allowed to tell it of course. Being that I work on VFX for big productions (uncredited freelance filling in when time is running out for several big houses under crunch) and also produce low budget movies, I've often considered making a Hollywood quality fan film about the character and the Battle of Scarif. Trouble is I think it would be a little too believable as autheentic/commercial and Disney wouldn't be happy with me, or would think I was milking it for cash/fame rather than just as a pure fan film. Perhaps once my bigger projects come out in a couple of years time and I'm more well known I'll pitch it to them! haha.

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u/NewSauerKraus 8d ago

Have you found yourself in any fanfics yet?

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u/Sarikx 8d ago

Now i am a personal fan of Torius Chord.

Loved the story! And its cool that you donate all to help women. I will tell your story every time i have the chance.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Oh wow, thank you! That genuinely means a lot to me! (and use my name when you tell it - the more people who look me up on IMDb, the higher my "Star Meter" and the more likely I am to be hired on more projectrs, and/or invited to more events! ;)

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u/Brian_E1971 8d ago

Remind me/us what was Blue Two's highlights/fate at the battle of Scarif? Even Wookiepedia doesn't say anything really.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Sadly many of the scenes related to this were removed in the reshoot (ie were acted by the original actor that I replaced) and the rest were removed in the edit. I'm NDA'd up to the hilt not to talk about anything that didn't make the final cut. Sorry. As a fan, I'd love if Disney expand on this more in the future, even if it doesn't involve me in any way.

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u/TheLiberator117 8d ago

Did the "What is she proposing?!" line happen the same way? I use it often when my cat starts meowing at me for no particular reason. Thanks for having a part in my favorite star wars movie!

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u/Vallkyrie Qi'ra 8d ago

You are a cool person and friend shaped. Thanks for sharing the details behind this!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Thank you so much, friend!

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u/chrismansell 8d ago

No question, I just wanted to step in and say "What is she proposing?"/"Just let the girl speak!" is probably the thing me and my girlfriend quote at each other from Rogue One the most, to the point it's become something of a meme between us, replacing "NO MORE DEAD CAWPS!"

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u/coysmate05 8d ago

NO MORE DEAD CAWPS

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u/chrismansell 8d ago

THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVEEEER!

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u/coysmate05 8d ago

I’m glad there are more people in the world who repeat those lines comically. I thought it was just my brother and I

Also the guy nodding his head really hard with the straight face

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u/OnsetOfMSet 8d ago

Lol I love having weird movie line inside jokes. Back in the day, my preferred one was "Intensify forward firepower!"/"Too laaate!" Sometimes we'd even do the funny little jump to mimic fleeing the crashing A-wing. Occasionally, we would just respond in general conversation with "Too laaate!" with the same inflection and we just knew.

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u/TK9_VS 8d ago

I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took an A-wing to the bridge.

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u/BaronGrackle 8d ago

Any interesting anecdotes related to scene reshoots?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 4d ago

I've included a few above, but in addition, you might find it fun to know that pretty much everyone behind the scenes were massive Star Wars fans and the production crew went above and beyond replacing all random things like A4 paper printed signs telling you where to go, how to claim lunch, what the filming times were, etc etc with fully Meme-worthy custom Star Wars signs, just for their own amusement.

Also, to keep secrecy, I wasn't hired or paid by Disney/LucasFilm, I was hired by "Lunak Heavy Industries Limited", and if I remember correctly, catering was by "Space Bear LLC" or something similar. On all call sheets and pay slips the film was called "Los Alamos" - refering to the site where they made the atomic bombs. I found that quite fitting considering the plot of Rogue One. And later, "Space Bear" became the codename for Last Jedi.

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u/Cyberpunkapostle Imperial 8d ago

Good to see that Star Wars productions still use stealth names a la Blue Harvest. Also, I would die to see some of those meme worthy signs, even though I know you can't show us, lol.

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u/noximo 8d ago

still use stealth names

I'm pretty sure that's the case for any somewhat notorious movie

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u/enderandrew42 8d ago

Rogue One, the two accompanying novels and Andor are collectively some of the best Star Wars ever produced.

There were rumors / conjecture by some who insist that Gareth Edwards was basically fired as director and that Tony Gilroy secretly took over the film. I don't believe this is the case, but it would be great to hear from someone who was on set that it didn't happen to put an end to those dirty rumors.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Thank you, I certainly agree with you that Rogue One and Andor are some of the best Star Wars content ever (and I've read all the novels, watched all the series, been on all the theme park stuff, played all the videogames etc etc). Even if I'd never been invovled in anyway I can objectively say that I'd say its the best Star Wars movie that Disney has produced, to my taste at least.

I made a long post in a reply to someone else about the Tony Gilroy / Gareth Edwards situation, what I know, what I saw/heard, and what my opinion is. Both of them are great guys, geniuses with strong visions and bags of talent. Under no circumstances was Edwards "fired", but its true that Gilroy essentially directed the significant reshoots, that were done to add more action orientated feel to Edwards' existing, and excellent, bruding character piece that resembled more an epic wartime drama set in the SW universe, than a blockbuster. I think the result is a perfect balance.

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u/aforty 8d ago

I dunno it probably shouldn’t be blowing my mind as much as it does but it’s so fun to hear that actors and people who work on these things are as big if not bigger fans of the universe as we are.

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u/Calfzilla2000 Cassian Andor 8d ago

Gilroy essentially directed the significant reshoots, that were done to add more action orientated feel to Edwards' existing, and excellent, bruding character piece

This is odd because I always assumed it was the opposite. Edwards is known more of an epic-scale action director and Gilroy has written a masterful character-driven drama with Andor. I know they are both capable of either but that's just not what I expected the issue was.

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u/AMK972 8d ago

The interjections of “Just let the girl speak,” and “What is she proposing,” always make me chuckle. I don’t know why. I just always find those two lines kind of funny.

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u/nursecop818 8d ago

I wish more actors like you would be down to earth like this. How awesome to have been in Rogue One!!

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Thank you, that's very kind to say. I was hugely privilidgeed to have a tiny, tiny part in a massive production. Once in a lifetime experience and one I shall never forget, nor take for granted.

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u/SpikeyTortoise 8d ago

Must have been a pretty awesome experience to work on a Starwars film! If you could have brought home any prop you’d seen on set, would you have, and if so, what?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago edited 8d ago

Oooh, great question! I desperately wanted to bring home my helmet. It was quite unique, in that it wasn't the typical helmet worn by pilots of the particular ship I flew (can't say more, argh) and also, the visor was cracked. These two facts combined made me run wild in my head cannon making up stories about what scrapes I'd been in to get it.

End of the day the only 2 things I managed to sneak home (I know I shouldn't have, but I wanted some proof that I'd been there, incase I was cut out completely) were my name/character tag from the hanger that my costume was stored on, and the stick-on sideburns they gave me to match the look of the previous actor, incase they wanted to mix and match the footage!

I also did sneak a couple of photos of myself in costume in my trailer, again, just for me to prove/remember my time, but I got in trouble for posting them online once the movie came out and I thought it would be safe to do so. They are out there though, the internet never forgets. I know quite a few people used them for informing their cosplay / battalion recreation purposes before the film came to home video.

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u/NikkoJT Darth Maul 8d ago

It's kinda baffling that all this stuff has to be kept secret even after the film has been finished and out for years. It's not like nuclear trade secrets, it's just fun stuff that's mildly-to-wildly interesting to nerds. I fully understand you keeping it secret when told to, it's why they would tell you to that I don't get.

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u/JohnnyTight_Lips 8d ago

What is she proposing?

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u/killawankenobi 8d ago

My favorite part of this scene is the dude that aggressively shouts “WELL WHAT DOES SHE PROPOSE!!??” 😂 he sounded so fed up lol.

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

As opposed to the dude that shouts "just let the girl speak" and sounds manly and cool.

Right?

....right guys? ...guys?!

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u/killawankenobi 8d ago

LMAO 😂 you slayed it dude! Honestly for a second I thought you were gonna be revealed to be a Skywalker…that delivery was 🤌🏻🥇

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u/el_f3n1x187 8d ago

" I come here for a fucking shootout. A proper shootout with some proper Imperial scumbags.".....

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u/TheFellaHimself Han Solo 8d ago

How does it feel to be officially part of the SW universe?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Incredible. As a huge fan of Star Wars as a kid (and still to this day) I still pinch myself and it shall forever be right up there as one of the crowning moments of my career, no matter how big a success I have moving forwards. I can't state enough how much it meant to me to step on set, and how happy I am that I've been able to work in tiny capacities on other official or liscenced Star Wars content/events and bring joy to people and use it for good.

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u/Pavlo_escargotte 8d ago

Someone link the scene wtffffff

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u/Ashvega03 8d ago

Did catering have blue milk as an option?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

Haha, no, but the catering company was called "Space Bear LLC" and the crew had pretty much replaced all signs of any kind (including menus, instructions on how to use the coffee machine, etc etc) with ones full of Star Wars memes and puns. It was great. I took a few sneaky photos but I'm 100% sure I'm not allowed to post them anywhere, sadly.

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u/DrunkSpiderMan Jedi 8d ago

Careful, he's a hero

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u/TheWaffleOfSFGaming 8d ago

Ok, so are you ready for your own Disney+ show now?

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u/ILoveSerris Rebel 8d ago

YES WHERE DO I SIGN PLS K THX :D

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u/SamVimesThe1st 8d ago

Thank you for having the back of our queen Jyn Erso!

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u/KingRhoamsGhost Clone Trooper 8d ago

I always enjoy Star Wars actors more when they’re a fan of the franchise. It just enhances the experience for me. I’m glad you got the opportunity, one line or not it’s a very important part of the entire story.

Thanks for your tale!

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u/reubenroostercogburn 8d ago

Think about it - if you didn’t stop everyone to let her speak, the entire trilogy would be a different story!!

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u/iwashmydickdaily 8d ago

Rogue One is my favourite Star Wars movie of all time. Absolute masterpiece.

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u/criscobeefslaps 8d ago

I was in this scene too! I remember going to the toilet right after we had shot a part where we had to pick a side to agree / disagree with and make appropriate sounds and vocalise it as the scene went on... except when I was in the toilet I missed them saying that this take was just to be mimed with no audio. Cut to me shouting to a silent room after Felicity said something and a shameful "RESET!" with everyone staring. Good times

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